The Muslim prayer room at the Vatican Library was a big shock for me. Now, I simply await the next instalment of the soap opera that is 'The Spirit of Vatican II - The One Where Leo Doubles Down'.
My burning question is this: how do we comply with the condition for indulgence of praying for the intention of the holy father? What if there is no holy father?
What actually are "Propositum Papae" or "the intention of the pope"?
Before the reform of the discipline of indulgences (1967–1968), there was a very precise answer to this question. The Congregation for Indulgences provided a clear ANSWER/definition in 1847:
"Intentio pontificis est exultatio sanctae Ecclesiae, extirpatio haereseum, propagatio fidei, peccatorum conversio, pax et concordia inter principes christianos."
Which means...:
"The intentions of the pontiff are:
- the exaltation of the Holy Church,
- the uprooting of heresies,
- the propagation of the faith,
- the conversion of sinners, and
- peace and concord among Christian rulers."
This answer has always been held for the Vicar of Christ, whoever he may have been. Until the 1960s, Of course.
Moreover, this only applies to the pontiff, the Vicar of Christ, and not to someone who is not, or someone who could very well be an anti-vicar.
The intentions of every pope cannot be any different from the intentions and purpose of the holy mother Church. You could even say, - raison d'être. These intentions are also one of the main ones and as unchangeable as Jesus Christ and his teaching are unchangeable, which His Church knows and understands very well.
I pray for the traditional intentions of the Holy Father. These follow the office. In any interregnum, plenary indulgences may still be gained. This is how. Traditional intentions listed:
He is not the Holy Father, he is an anti Pope because BXVI never abdicated according to law. Bergoglio was illegitimate therefore Prevost is illegitimate. That is why they can be apostates. Not only we don’t have to obey, we have to fight them because they are impostors and apostates
Where Our Lady of Fatima is, there is the Church. While I am not a Sedevacantist, neither am I a Hyperpapalist. Catholics were gaslighted by Vatican I, and Pope Pius X. Many of his pronouncements would have been real news to St Paul, who regarded his Pope as anything but infallible, although absolutely head of the Church.
I was told to do the same thing by my Pastor (a Trad Priest) during the old regime. I pray for the “Holy” intentions of the Pope. If he has any, ok. If not, God will take my offering and do something with it, I’m sure.
Why do we even have anything to do with the Conciliar false church? They offer us nothing, but poison, heresies, lies and abominations. Let's cut free from these hierlings! The sedevacantists have been right all along! We don't need their approval or that of the trad inc. Crowd either!
Here's one more: using & recommending the words "for all" instead of "for many" in the consecration in the Novus Ordo, itself an abomination of desolation.
If Catholics would read this book by Fr Anthony Cekada, few would ever return to the Mass of the homosexual crypto-Jew & Freemason "Saint" Paul VI:
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI, which covers the history & development of both the Traditional & the New Mass, especially the latter, the key individuals involved in the destruction of the TLM, and their stated intentions: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada
Great recommendation! I just finished Fr Cekada’s book and I’m now reading “Iota Unum” by Romano Amerio who was a peritus at V2. It was recommended on the true restoration website and is available here:
Did not allow Father Pavone to celebrate funeral Mass for his Mother !
Did not reinstate Bishop Strickland !
Did not removed Tucho and Rupnik . They should be both excommunicated ! Rupnik was excommunicated but Francis 3 hours later reinstated him to the position he held before.
Rupnik gave the absolution in the Sacrament of Confession to the nun he abused sexually!
The gravest sin punishable by Canon Low by excommunication ! But not by Leo!
WE need statements from Leo acknowledging he understands the Masonic influence in developing the Novus Ordo by Msgr Bugnini, whose name in Freemasonry is BUAN.
We need a statement from Leo that he agrees that those involved in or supporting the LGBTQ life must repent before they can participate fully in the life of the Church. This means clergy like Fr. Martin must discontinue supporting and encouraging LGBTQ activities in the Church. When Jesus forgave, He said, "REPENT, and sin no more."
Groan. He’s leading the poor souls off the cliff into hell. Synodality? I can see Christ anointing Peter , the Rock, as head of His Church and Peter saying , “Hold on! Let me get the opinions of the other 11!”
It’s like living through “The Lord of the World” by Fr Robert Hugh Benson.
The play is approaching its final act. It’s a sick dystopian non fiction comedy.
Hold on, this only for openers. Leo is more strategic with the use of psyops unlike Bergoglio who was like a raging bull in the proverbial china shop. Both have given the Chinese commies the run of things, betraying the faithful there. Words fail at my utter disgust.
“He also said if a politician is against abortion but is “in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States,’ I don’t know if that’s pro-life.” “
That is such a blatant straw man argument. Nobody is actually in favor of inhumane treatment of…anybody. It’s just his intentionally ambiguous term for dealing with those who enter our country illegally…who have a legal option but choose to bypass it.
As a layman, my understanding is that the 1917 Code of Canon Law (Canon 2314) declares that anyone who commits heresy is automatically excommunicated without need of judgment. Therefore, given Prevost's multiple acts of heresy, he is no longer Catholic, which means he is not the pope. So, while we faithful Catholics still respect and honor the Chair of Peter, we can neither respect nor honor a heretic.
Prevost did not excommunicate or removed bishop Savino who said, after the lgbtq “pilgrimage” in Rome, that the (false) church has to accept the intimate (sexual) homosexual relationship. The bishop is still the vice-President of the CEI
Does this not prove conclusively that Prevost is a heretic? What else could he be given his approval of what has been throughout history a serious, depraved sin, one that the Catholic Church prior to the abomination of VII always condemned?
It does, but Prevost is not the Pope because BenedictXVI never abdicated according to Canon law, therefore Prevost is an illegitimate pope, an anti Pope, and so it was Bergoglio. So Prevost can be an apostate because he is not the Pope, not that he is not the Pope because he is an apostate. That is a big difference. A Pope cannot be an apostate.
Prevost did not excommunicate bishop Savino who said, after the LGBT pilgrimage, that homosexual intimate (sexual) relationships are accepted by the (false) church. The bishop is still the vice-president of CEI
Thank you for educating catholics and non-catholics about the apostasy, and thats what it is. You are necessary to prevent anyone from believing this mess is Catholicism. God raised you up for it, and please God he will bless you for it.
The Muslim prayer room at the Vatican Library was a big shock for me. Now, I simply await the next instalment of the soap opera that is 'The Spirit of Vatican II - The One Where Leo Doubles Down'.
I just read this….. “when the authority is corrupt the virtue of obedience need not apply.”
I have no idea exactly where I read this but it was on Substack
Lord Acton
John T Turner can you please share who said that?
No idea but it was on Substack.
This is actually a question of spiritual discernment, those that have it will see through this Papacy, those that don’t won’t
My burning question is this: how do we comply with the condition for indulgence of praying for the intention of the holy father? What if there is no holy father?
I've thought about this too, Gina. I know there are different answers on it.
What actually are "Propositum Papae" or "the intention of the pope"?
Before the reform of the discipline of indulgences (1967–1968), there was a very precise answer to this question. The Congregation for Indulgences provided a clear ANSWER/definition in 1847:
"Intentio pontificis est exultatio sanctae Ecclesiae, extirpatio haereseum, propagatio fidei, peccatorum conversio, pax et concordia inter principes christianos."
Which means...:
"The intentions of the pontiff are:
- the exaltation of the Holy Church,
- the uprooting of heresies,
- the propagation of the faith,
- the conversion of sinners, and
- peace and concord among Christian rulers."
This answer has always been held for the Vicar of Christ, whoever he may have been. Until the 1960s, Of course.
Moreover, this only applies to the pontiff, the Vicar of Christ, and not to someone who is not, or someone who could very well be an anti-vicar.
The intentions of every pope cannot be any different from the intentions and purpose of the holy mother Church. You could even say, - raison d'être. These intentions are also one of the main ones and as unchangeable as Jesus Christ and his teaching are unchangeable, which His Church knows and understands very well.
Excellent
This ^^^
We pray for the pope but then add,..and for the *'Glorious restoration of the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church'*
Thank you for your reply.
I pray for the traditional intentions of the Holy Father. These follow the office. In any interregnum, plenary indulgences may still be gained. This is how. Traditional intentions listed:
The Exaltation of the Church
The Propagation of the Faith
The Extirpation of Heresy
The Conversion of Sinners
The Concord between Christian Princes
The Further Welfare of the Christian People
He is not the Holy Father, he is an anti Pope because BXVI never abdicated according to law. Bergoglio was illegitimate therefore Prevost is illegitimate. That is why they can be apostates. Not only we don’t have to obey, we have to fight them because they are impostors and apostates
Does that mean the church disappears every time a Pope dies? It doesn’t make sense.
Where Our Lady of Fatima is, there is the Church. While I am not a Sedevacantist, neither am I a Hyperpapalist. Catholics were gaslighted by Vatican I, and Pope Pius X. Many of his pronouncements would have been real news to St Paul, who regarded his Pope as anything but infallible, although absolutely head of the Church.
I was told to do the same thing by my Pastor (a Trad Priest) during the old regime. I pray for the “Holy” intentions of the Pope. If he has any, ok. If not, God will take my offering and do something with it, I’m sure.
Why do we even have anything to do with the Conciliar false church? They offer us nothing, but poison, heresies, lies and abominations. Let's cut free from these hierlings! The sedevacantists have been right all along! We don't need their approval or that of the trad inc. Crowd either!
Well said 007!
Here's one more: using & recommending the words "for all" instead of "for many" in the consecration in the Novus Ordo, itself an abomination of desolation.
If Catholics would read this book by Fr Anthony Cekada, few would ever return to the Mass of the homosexual crypto-Jew & Freemason "Saint" Paul VI:
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI, which covers the history & development of both the Traditional & the New Mass, especially the latter, the key individuals involved in the destruction of the TLM, and their stated intentions: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada
youtube.com/watch?v=KN7oftiL4XY (chapter summaries)
Great recommendation! I just finished Fr Cekada’s book and I’m now reading “Iota Unum” by Romano Amerio who was a peritus at V2. It was recommended on the true restoration website and is available here:
https://archive.org/details/iotaunumstudyofc0000amer
Did not allow Father Pavone to celebrate funeral Mass for his Mother !
Did not reinstate Bishop Strickland !
Did not removed Tucho and Rupnik . They should be both excommunicated ! Rupnik was excommunicated but Francis 3 hours later reinstated him to the position he held before.
Rupnik gave the absolution in the Sacrament of Confession to the nun he abused sexually!
The gravest sin punishable by Canon Low by excommunication ! But not by Leo!
WE need statements from Leo acknowledging he understands the Masonic influence in developing the Novus Ordo by Msgr Bugnini, whose name in Freemasonry is BUAN.
We need a statement from Leo that he agrees that those involved in or supporting the LGBTQ life must repent before they can participate fully in the life of the Church. This means clergy like Fr. Martin must discontinue supporting and encouraging LGBTQ activities in the Church. When Jesus forgave, He said, "REPENT, and sin no more."
Groan. He’s leading the poor souls off the cliff into hell. Synodality? I can see Christ anointing Peter , the Rock, as head of His Church and Peter saying , “Hold on! Let me get the opinions of the other 11!”
It’s like living through “The Lord of the World” by Fr Robert Hugh Benson.
The play is approaching its final act. It’s a sick dystopian non fiction comedy.
Hold on, this only for openers. Leo is more strategic with the use of psyops unlike Bergoglio who was like a raging bull in the proverbial china shop. Both have given the Chinese commies the run of things, betraying the faithful there. Words fail at my utter disgust.
It makes his smile all the more sickening.
“He also said if a politician is against abortion but is “in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States,’ I don’t know if that’s pro-life.” “
That is such a blatant straw man argument. Nobody is actually in favor of inhumane treatment of…anybody. It’s just his intentionally ambiguous term for dealing with those who enter our country illegally…who have a legal option but choose to bypass it.
It’s the seamless garment argument of another Chicagoan-Cardinal Bernadin. Surprise, surprise.
2026 should provide a thrill a minute.
As a layman, my understanding is that the 1917 Code of Canon Law (Canon 2314) declares that anyone who commits heresy is automatically excommunicated without need of judgment. Therefore, given Prevost's multiple acts of heresy, he is no longer Catholic, which means he is not the pope. So, while we faithful Catholics still respect and honor the Chair of Peter, we can neither respect nor honor a heretic.
Prevost did not excommunicate or removed bishop Savino who said, after the lgbtq “pilgrimage” in Rome, that the (false) church has to accept the intimate (sexual) homosexual relationship. The bishop is still the vice-President of the CEI
Does this not prove conclusively that Prevost is a heretic? What else could he be given his approval of what has been throughout history a serious, depraved sin, one that the Catholic Church prior to the abomination of VII always condemned?
It does, but Prevost is not the Pope because BenedictXVI never abdicated according to Canon law, therefore Prevost is an illegitimate pope, an anti Pope, and so it was Bergoglio. So Prevost can be an apostate because he is not the Pope, not that he is not the Pope because he is an apostate. That is a big difference. A Pope cannot be an apostate.
Prevost did not excommunicate bishop Savino who said, after the LGBT pilgrimage, that homosexual intimate (sexual) relationships are accepted by the (false) church. The bishop is still the vice-president of CEI
Thank you for educating catholics and non-catholics about the apostasy, and thats what it is. You are necessary to prevent anyone from believing this mess is Catholicism. God raised you up for it, and please God he will bless you for it.