Beware! Prevost is a less belligerent than Bergoglio was, less uncharitable, less nasty, mean, and petty. But he’s just as much a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
But don’t the errors of Vatican 2 need to be repudiated? Nostra Aetate and Dignitatis Humanae are not Catholic. There is only truth and if we deviate from it, no matter how long we travel along the wrong path, we can’t make it be truth by being nice.
Share the idea that mainstream Trads are a little too eager to compromise and too elated they are no longer (for now) being directly persecuted, though TC is still technically in effect.
Ahhh finally an honest man. You know I was so refreshed and happy and encouraged, since I wasn't around during 2013 conclave and was wondering if i really am seeing things correctly.
Yeah Prevost is not Catholic but rather synodalist-modernist whatever. After verifying his views, it's clear. So he can't be a pope. Tell me, does this apply to previous popes too, are sedevacantists correct?
Anyway I subscribed and paid 8 dollars, as a poor man, which I rarely do, for honesty and bravery.
Sometimes, fundamental principles do actually matter, though, even when they expose us to…”inconveniences.” Jesus Himself amply demonstrates this at the end of the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6. After going on at length and repeatedly about what He would later leave us as the Eucharist being *literally* His Body and Blood, and knowing in advance that nearly *all* of His hearers (“disciples “!) would leave Him over the perceived scandal of cannibalism, He was left with just the Apostles themselves. And even they were struggling to hang on: “Lord, to whom shall we go…?”
On the surface of things, it sure looked to everyone present that, at a minimum, Jesus had made a massive tactical error, and might even be just plain crazy. No matter! It was vital to the exposition of His Truth that the nature of the Eucharist needed to be proclaimed, no matter how much it might appear to upset the foundations of His still-future Church. Principles, and all that! Long game beats short game; what appears to be bad tactics sometimes actually serves the long term strategic ”goals.”
Short term, martyrdom in the early Church sure might have looked counterproductive, but it advanced the proper perspective and ironic admiration of the Romans, and aided the Church’s rise in the end.
Caving to clear, general heterodoxy right from the get-go after the conclave just to maintain the equivalent of Esau’s porridge is not a good look for us. A small bone for us thrown in our direction (grudging - and perhaps quite temporary - continuance of the TLM) is insufficient for Traditionalists to turn a blind eye to the undermining of the Deposit of Faith as payment for that bone. It’s been decades since that Deposit was last fully and loudly proclaimed; if the relatively few of us who are aware of its existence allow yet more years’/decades’ worth of cobwebs to “disappear“ it even further, the existence or lack thereof of the “authorized” Latin Mass will be of no consequence to us anyway, for we will no longer deserve to have it.
This is not about being bitter, alum-filled, clinging to lost causes, or hatred. I, for one, answer to none of these monikers. Neither do any of those who won’t hold the entire Faith hostage to keep what, in the end, if the Novus Ordo is at least valid, constitutes largely a collection of pleasing esthetics.
It’s all about being “faithful” in the widest sense. John the Baptist was, to all appearances, a crusty, unyielding, curmudgeony crank. He was actually none of that. He was Faithful, and “the greatest man born of woman.” He paid the price, too.
Even so now…. Let’s answer the call regarding today’s crisis in the Church in a similar spirit!
Unity has to be based on Truth vs the “spirit of the age.” Modern man is so used to dialectical thinking-thesis/anti-thesis/new synthesis. But this method does not arrive at the truth. Rather it keeps pulling one further and further from the truth. Thesis=Catholic truth
Anti-thesis = modernist documents of V2
Synthesis = the mixing of truth and error
That will not work. I don’t see how that makes Catholics who recognize that truth and error cannot be reconciled bitter, hateful, uncharitable etc etc. Pope Leo’s recent letter to the AJC affirming the progress made in Jewish/Catholic relations is very concerning. The only progress in Jewish/Catholic relations since V2 has been all one way-away from Catholic truth and affirming the Synagogue in their anti-Christian mission which has been ongoing for 2000 years.
I get all of what you’re saying however, firstly the priority has to be to allow the TLM to grow and thrive (true Catholicism) so if he gives us that, it is a win. It will not correct what I am starting to believe is the ape of the church clearly, but following the last papacy, there is some hope here for the TLM communities and that is a positive.
You mention the Covid period blind obedience. It also strikes me that the Vatican lined up with the absurdity in lockstep with the tyrants. And there is no reflection or listening now to the stories of horrendous consequences, at least not that I am aware of. Vaccination was almost made a new sacrament. And now we are supposed to jump on the climate change bandwagon with the same blind obedience - it all due to human activity. The Synodal Church is just another NGO vying for visibility and approval (and funds). Let us remain with the holy remnant and persevere with God's grace.
So explain this: When he recently preached on the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes, The Feeding of the 5000, he said it was a "miracle of sharing." This is the Pope, mind you, giving a homily to Catholics. Teaching.
The "sharing" interpretation of this Gospel came out of a rationalist Protestant named Hienrich Paulus in the 18th Century. Rationalism is the philosophical view that says all we can know is what reason tells us, and denies such things as miracles, denies "the super-natural." To a rationalist there are no such things as miracles, and so this fellow Paulus came up with non-miraculous explanations for what we Catholic hold to be super-natural miracles of Our Lord, by which He proved His divinity.
The Modernists who have taken over our Church are rationalists through and through. They do not believe in miracles. They do not believe in the super-natural. And their teachings directly contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church which explicitly cites miracles Jesus performed, including the multiplication of the loaves and fishes.
It's one thing for a wacky Catholic theologian to pick up this "sharing" interpretation and argue for it, but it is a whole other thing for the Pope himself to preach this as the meaning of this Gospel to Catholics. It's heresy, sorry to say.
How can you explain a supposed Catholic Pope publicly teaching a denial of the miracle performed by Our Lord that came out of Hienrich Paulus and not teaching what we truly believe as Catholics?
This is just one example, it is true, but it was no mistake or accident he preached that interpretation. If you read other of his homilies, those also contain heretical interpretations of the Gospels. And in the coming months and years you will see his true colors, and will have to admit he is indeed what early observers say he is.
And yes, maybe there are Trads who are bitter because this has gone on so long and they have allowed their frustration to boil over, and they do need an attitude adjustment, but that's not everyone. We want to be Catholics. Period. The Modernists controlling things now insist we can no longer practice the Faith handed down by the Apostles. And that is the problem.
Green Mass? Historical criticism- not a miracle, just st a myth? “Seamless garment” concept promoted by Bernadine who he holds in high esteem along w/Cupich. Places the value of an aborted preborn baby alongside that of a convicted felon scheduled to be executed (according to a commencement speech he gave at a university in Peru in 2023. He’s been influenced by Liberation Theology, picked and primed by Francis who he met with weekly to learn all of the tricks toward Synodality as Francis ran out of time to fulfill the Cdl. Martini agenda of the mid 90s when the St. Galen Mafia as formed. Read the book by that name by Julia Martini.
That's one of the reasons I'm looking for the orthodoxy for the truth, I couldn't stand being in a church that I have to constantly question if it's top man is even a Christian. And seeing how anxious angry bitter these trades are that's no way of living a Christian life that is fulfilling
Beware! Prevost is a less belligerent than Bergoglio was, less uncharitable, less nasty, mean, and petty. But he’s just as much a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
But don’t the errors of Vatican 2 need to be repudiated? Nostra Aetate and Dignitatis Humanae are not Catholic. There is only truth and if we deviate from it, no matter how long we travel along the wrong path, we can’t make it be truth by being nice.
Indeed, Myrtsie. While minor changes in looks and language are good, the real issue is the Council.
Share the idea that mainstream Trads are a little too eager to compromise and too elated they are no longer (for now) being directly persecuted, though TC is still technically in effect.
Ahhh finally an honest man. You know I was so refreshed and happy and encouraged, since I wasn't around during 2013 conclave and was wondering if i really am seeing things correctly.
Yeah Prevost is not Catholic but rather synodalist-modernist whatever. After verifying his views, it's clear. So he can't be a pope. Tell me, does this apply to previous popes too, are sedevacantists correct?
Anyway I subscribed and paid 8 dollars, as a poor man, which I rarely do, for honesty and bravery.
Thank you very much! I am grateful for your support.
Re: Pat’s comment below.
Sometimes, fundamental principles do actually matter, though, even when they expose us to…”inconveniences.” Jesus Himself amply demonstrates this at the end of the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6. After going on at length and repeatedly about what He would later leave us as the Eucharist being *literally* His Body and Blood, and knowing in advance that nearly *all* of His hearers (“disciples “!) would leave Him over the perceived scandal of cannibalism, He was left with just the Apostles themselves. And even they were struggling to hang on: “Lord, to whom shall we go…?”
On the surface of things, it sure looked to everyone present that, at a minimum, Jesus had made a massive tactical error, and might even be just plain crazy. No matter! It was vital to the exposition of His Truth that the nature of the Eucharist needed to be proclaimed, no matter how much it might appear to upset the foundations of His still-future Church. Principles, and all that! Long game beats short game; what appears to be bad tactics sometimes actually serves the long term strategic ”goals.”
Short term, martyrdom in the early Church sure might have looked counterproductive, but it advanced the proper perspective and ironic admiration of the Romans, and aided the Church’s rise in the end.
Caving to clear, general heterodoxy right from the get-go after the conclave just to maintain the equivalent of Esau’s porridge is not a good look for us. A small bone for us thrown in our direction (grudging - and perhaps quite temporary - continuance of the TLM) is insufficient for Traditionalists to turn a blind eye to the undermining of the Deposit of Faith as payment for that bone. It’s been decades since that Deposit was last fully and loudly proclaimed; if the relatively few of us who are aware of its existence allow yet more years’/decades’ worth of cobwebs to “disappear“ it even further, the existence or lack thereof of the “authorized” Latin Mass will be of no consequence to us anyway, for we will no longer deserve to have it.
This is not about being bitter, alum-filled, clinging to lost causes, or hatred. I, for one, answer to none of these monikers. Neither do any of those who won’t hold the entire Faith hostage to keep what, in the end, if the Novus Ordo is at least valid, constitutes largely a collection of pleasing esthetics.
It’s all about being “faithful” in the widest sense. John the Baptist was, to all appearances, a crusty, unyielding, curmudgeony crank. He was actually none of that. He was Faithful, and “the greatest man born of woman.” He paid the price, too.
Even so now…. Let’s answer the call regarding today’s crisis in the Church in a similar spirit!
Mr. Kokx, you are spot-on!
Wow
Great job explaining for Trad Catholics
Thank you for your effort!
Unity has to be based on Truth vs the “spirit of the age.” Modern man is so used to dialectical thinking-thesis/anti-thesis/new synthesis. But this method does not arrive at the truth. Rather it keeps pulling one further and further from the truth. Thesis=Catholic truth
Anti-thesis = modernist documents of V2
Synthesis = the mixing of truth and error
That will not work. I don’t see how that makes Catholics who recognize that truth and error cannot be reconciled bitter, hateful, uncharitable etc etc. Pope Leo’s recent letter to the AJC affirming the progress made in Jewish/Catholic relations is very concerning. The only progress in Jewish/Catholic relations since V2 has been all one way-away from Catholic truth and affirming the Synagogue in their anti-Christian mission which has been ongoing for 2000 years.
I get all of what you’re saying however, firstly the priority has to be to allow the TLM to grow and thrive (true Catholicism) so if he gives us that, it is a win. It will not correct what I am starting to believe is the ape of the church clearly, but following the last papacy, there is some hope here for the TLM communities and that is a positive.
You mention the Covid period blind obedience. It also strikes me that the Vatican lined up with the absurdity in lockstep with the tyrants. And there is no reflection or listening now to the stories of horrendous consequences, at least not that I am aware of. Vaccination was almost made a new sacrament. And now we are supposed to jump on the climate change bandwagon with the same blind obedience - it all due to human activity. The Synodal Church is just another NGO vying for visibility and approval (and funds). Let us remain with the holy remnant and persevere with God's grace.
From what I read, it seels that cardinal Burke was also involved in convincing cardinal Dolan and the other cardinals
No doubt about it unless I’m too paranoid but I doubt that!
Francis I was called jpii. F3 is the mix between f1 and f2. Also, vati-con city will go away before this is all over. Otherwise, I largely agree.
Well.....no.
As time goes on you will see what he is.
So explain this: When he recently preached on the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes, The Feeding of the 5000, he said it was a "miracle of sharing." This is the Pope, mind you, giving a homily to Catholics. Teaching.
The "sharing" interpretation of this Gospel came out of a rationalist Protestant named Hienrich Paulus in the 18th Century. Rationalism is the philosophical view that says all we can know is what reason tells us, and denies such things as miracles, denies "the super-natural." To a rationalist there are no such things as miracles, and so this fellow Paulus came up with non-miraculous explanations for what we Catholic hold to be super-natural miracles of Our Lord, by which He proved His divinity.
The Modernists who have taken over our Church are rationalists through and through. They do not believe in miracles. They do not believe in the super-natural. And their teachings directly contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church which explicitly cites miracles Jesus performed, including the multiplication of the loaves and fishes.
It's one thing for a wacky Catholic theologian to pick up this "sharing" interpretation and argue for it, but it is a whole other thing for the Pope himself to preach this as the meaning of this Gospel to Catholics. It's heresy, sorry to say.
How can you explain a supposed Catholic Pope publicly teaching a denial of the miracle performed by Our Lord that came out of Hienrich Paulus and not teaching what we truly believe as Catholics?
This is just one example, it is true, but it was no mistake or accident he preached that interpretation. If you read other of his homilies, those also contain heretical interpretations of the Gospels. And in the coming months and years you will see his true colors, and will have to admit he is indeed what early observers say he is.
And yes, maybe there are Trads who are bitter because this has gone on so long and they have allowed their frustration to boil over, and they do need an attitude adjustment, but that's not everyone. We want to be Catholics. Period. The Modernists controlling things now insist we can no longer practice the Faith handed down by the Apostles. And that is the problem.
Green Mass? Historical criticism- not a miracle, just st a myth? “Seamless garment” concept promoted by Bernadine who he holds in high esteem along w/Cupich. Places the value of an aborted preborn baby alongside that of a convicted felon scheduled to be executed (according to a commencement speech he gave at a university in Peru in 2023. He’s been influenced by Liberation Theology, picked and primed by Francis who he met with weekly to learn all of the tricks toward Synodality as Francis ran out of time to fulfill the Cdl. Martini agenda of the mid 90s when the St. Galen Mafia as formed. Read the book by that name by Julia Martini.
Great reply
and at the same time keeping your “cool”
Now that’s a miracle..
would love to know how you do it!
That's one of the reasons I'm looking for the orthodoxy for the truth, I couldn't stand being in a church that I have to constantly question if it's top man is even a Christian. And seeing how anxious angry bitter these trades are that's no way of living a Christian life that is fulfilling
Incorrect assessment.