Raymond Arroyo is a likable guy, honest as the day is long. But he’s a conservative Catholic, with no axes to grind, who doesn’t look beyond the aesthetics of the TLM. But he’s savvy enough to know Burke is a safe interview inside his EWTN gig.
Burke went as far as he was ever going to go when he put his name to the dubia on Amoris laetitia , which he never followed up: the threat of a filial correction was always an empty bluff, and Bergolzebub knew it was. I’m trying to come up with a figure in literature this aimless and imagining that he’s really doing something significant…
For those of us who are Sedevacantists, Burke isn’t even a priest much less a cardinal. He was “ordained” by John Paul II in the revised Holy Orders of Paul the Pathetic. At this point- in Hillary Clinton’s words- “At this point, what difference does it make?”
I see Fr. Nix responded to this article. Unfortunately, he falls in this same category, as do many other priests out there, including some (and growing) in the SSPX. These men say so many good things but leave just a small pinch in for Ceasar (Novus Ordo). All this does is keep people from leaving the zoo or getting the annual family pass. There is always just another display in the zoo to see, or another circus act around the corner. There is no end to it. He encourages everyone to attend the old Sacraments but he himself was ordained in the new. The toughest mountain to climb is the one you refuse because you think you have no need to climb it. I can't imagine how difficult it is to get over all the emotional drama one has to conquer and detach from in order to get conditionally ordained. And then if they admit to having a conditional ordination, they risk losing their diocesan status in the Novus Ordo, as if that is a bad thing. These men live a double life and then expect people to just trust the validity of their orders. Crazy. There is no Catholic conclusion to the R&R position. If we get a true pope, then their precedent (not really theirs since they only continue what the modernists did prior to VII) allows for every pope to be questioned and resisted as if he is just a bad CEO running a skitzo organization. Only the SV position allows for a future true pope to rule with the prerogatives of St. Peter without giving legitimacy to the modernist resistance. It is the only position that preserves Catholic piety and devotion to the Church and the Papacy. +
I like fight//Real men fight/Jesus was a real man//remember the merchants in the temple//he got a big whip//Nothing like a real man/sick of effeminate men and im a woman
As we used to say in the sixties, “down with Burke, EWTN, trad inc and the whole rabble. BTW I’d sure like to see you or some Catholic commentator expose another one of those conciliar kosher conservative frauds that are misleading so many souls like Patrick Madrid and Drew Mariani of Relevant “Catholic “ Radio.
I, too, was troubled by His Eminence’s remarks. I’ve had the utmost respect for his orthodoxy for many years. It’s a sad day when this prince of the church goes soft on what matters most. Does he not realize that doctrine is held hostage along with the True Mass? That anything less than restoring the preconciliar Mass and Sacraments in every parish church at all times is mere breadcrumbs for starving faithful? That to deny the church of its True Mass is to deny the entire world of its unfathomable graces?
This is what occurs when you have a devotion to the Church's beautiful liturgy but do not possess a willingness to defend the Church when She is under attack from modernism. Otherwise, his Eminence would have been less inert during the Bergoglio Antipapacy fiasco. To compound matters further, Burke doesn't fully disavow the evil Second Vatican Council. We cannot expect solid leadership or any worthwhile "clan uniting" if Cdl. Burke is the most traditional prelate among the College of Cardinals.
Pray for a new pope (a real one), who will create new cardinals, and consecrate Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart.
Thank you Stephen! You are definitely standing up for Jesus Who is the way, the truth and the life!!!!
Fr. Malachi Martin writes about our dear St. Ignatius Loyola in his book the Jesuits. He says what made St. Ignatius so great and successful was the fact that not only did he recognize the hierarchy of God’s kingdom but he wanted his order to live and protect that order of hierarchy. This hierarchy is our dear Holy Mother Church who teaches only Truth. St. Ignatius wanted to be a loving servant of God and of the Pope….Loving servant!!!
Well, novus ordo has no hierarchy! It is the church of the people. The no appreciates or regards no one as higher than they because EVERYONE has their own”truth” because they are they and no one can tell them what to do. The no is based on subjective truth. There is no objective truth involved. So there’s no need to be a loving servant!!!!
Cardinal Burke has lost his way and is leading people away from Our Lord and Savior not to Him. And in the meantime we are labeled as “mad trads”. Okay. So be it. Not true. But it’s their label for us.
Ah, I've gotten just one chapter into Fr. Martin's Jesuit book. Have you read Windswept House or Vatican? His writings never cease to inform and entertain.
I’ve only read Windswept House. I couldn’t put it down!!!! I’m reading the Jesuits very slowly. It’s so packed with information. I want it to seep in and stay with me.
You will love when he’s teaching about St. Ignatius! It’s so uplifting to hear about true heroism and saintly behavior!!!
Yes, he doesn’t stop at just exposing the slime and rot. If you read through his writings carefully, you’ll discover his genuine love for the Church. With Windswept House, everyone focuses too exclusively on the Luciferian Enthronement part without savoring the rest of that terrific novel with fantastic character development and plot points. Vatican is much the same (a prequel to Windswept House). I enjoyed reviewing both novels on my site and may do so with the Jesuit book as well.
God bless, Ave Maria, and Happy Feast of St. Januarius and companions!
For a while it looked like Pope Benedict XVIs SP worked in favor of the traditional movement despite its errors and false premises. But if the traditional movement is now all about getting permission to offer the Mass that cannot be forbidden, and not about throwing out Vatican II or the New Novel Rite. Then it worked way to well for the modernists!
Steve, Your attempt to confirm your bias against Burke is sad. I knew this from the start when you criticised him for talking like a man who is almost 80. I Pray that you live this long and if you do you’ll be as spry and clear voiced as you are today.
Your desperate need to paint Burke negatively by characterising his comments About fringe groups as “trashing” them, is another good example of your need to confirm your bias and sow division so you can drive a wedge among Catholics. He trashed no one.
You and the Catholic world would better off if you quit your effort to
reach a measly5,000 subs at Koks news, got a real job, get married, have a bunch of kids, and be a saint. You’re really not very good at the professional catholic thing.
The greatest "wedge among Catholics" is that which separates authentic pre-V2 Catholics & (at least objectively) counterfeit V2 church believers.
I and many others think Stephen is doing a good job defending Catholic truth & Catholic tradition, largely discarded in the V2 counter-church.
Do you know much about the suppressed Third Secret of Fatima (as opposed to what the Vatican revealed in 2000)? Few know that the Third Secret was read by Pius XII in 1957 in the company of various prelates (unpublicized), one of them being the American Cardinal Samuel Stritch, who indirectly revealed 2 parts of it to 2 priest associates, one of the parts foretelling the New Mass:
And that can only happen under a false pope, "the top," as Cardinal Mario Ciappi revealed. Cardinal Ciappi, who read the Third Secret, said, "In the Third Secret it is revealed, among other things, that the Great Apostasy in the Church will begin at the top" (letter to Prof. Baumgartner, 1995). What is "the top" but the papacy?
My comment had nothing to do with VII. It was about the desperate attempt to paint a prince of the church in a negative way so as to differentiate himself and his followers. Aside from the personal sin componant of this, I think he stretching way to far to accomplish his desired goal. He’s best off quitting this business And focusing on getting married, building a family and growing in his own sanctity. These are things which are worthwhile pursuits for Catholics. even his Substack name is a cheap rip off. God Bless…
Great article. So Burke claims he has no "ideology" standing against the Vatican apostasy? Ok. I believe him.
I'm saddened by his response.
Consider that he holds the office of bishop. Many believe him to be an authentic Catholic prelate who is the hope of conservative Catholics.
What a PITY!
Raymond Arroyo is a likable guy, honest as the day is long. But he’s a conservative Catholic, with no axes to grind, who doesn’t look beyond the aesthetics of the TLM. But he’s savvy enough to know Burke is a safe interview inside his EWTN gig.
Likeable doesn’t necessarily mean honest. Arroyo knows what he’s converting up about the V II revolution. Crafty is a better term to use than savvy.
Be careful
Why? He’s absolutely right.
What have the conservatives conserved?
Feminism
Burke went as far as he was ever going to go when he put his name to the dubia on Amoris laetitia , which he never followed up: the threat of a filial correction was always an empty bluff, and Bergolzebub knew it was. I’m trying to come up with a figure in literature this aimless and imagining that he’s really doing something significant…
For those of us who are Sedevacantists, Burke isn’t even a priest much less a cardinal. He was “ordained” by John Paul II in the revised Holy Orders of Paul the Pathetic. At this point- in Hillary Clinton’s words- “At this point, what difference does it make?”
I see Fr. Nix responded to this article. Unfortunately, he falls in this same category, as do many other priests out there, including some (and growing) in the SSPX. These men say so many good things but leave just a small pinch in for Ceasar (Novus Ordo). All this does is keep people from leaving the zoo or getting the annual family pass. There is always just another display in the zoo to see, or another circus act around the corner. There is no end to it. He encourages everyone to attend the old Sacraments but he himself was ordained in the new. The toughest mountain to climb is the one you refuse because you think you have no need to climb it. I can't imagine how difficult it is to get over all the emotional drama one has to conquer and detach from in order to get conditionally ordained. And then if they admit to having a conditional ordination, they risk losing their diocesan status in the Novus Ordo, as if that is a bad thing. These men live a double life and then expect people to just trust the validity of their orders. Crazy. There is no Catholic conclusion to the R&R position. If we get a true pope, then their precedent (not really theirs since they only continue what the modernists did prior to VII) allows for every pope to be questioned and resisted as if he is just a bad CEO running a skitzo organization. Only the SV position allows for a future true pope to rule with the prerogatives of St. Peter without giving legitimacy to the modernist resistance. It is the only position that preserves Catholic piety and devotion to the Church and the Papacy. +
Amen! We are either faithful Catholics, or we are heretics! There are no other options!
TRUE!!!
Cardinal Burke takes the effeminate way out. Thats the problem. Real men fight for the truth and don't compromise.
TRUE!!!
I like the word “testify” vs “fight”. I think that is more like what Jesus did, continually.
I like fight//Real men fight/Jesus was a real man//remember the merchants in the temple//he got a big whip//Nothing like a real man/sick of effeminate men and im a woman
Blessed be the Lord my God, who teaches my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. Psalm 143
What a sad and disheartening interview.
The Dubia is in the dumpster
As we used to say in the sixties, “down with Burke, EWTN, trad inc and the whole rabble. BTW I’d sure like to see you or some Catholic commentator expose another one of those conciliar kosher conservative frauds that are misleading so many souls like Patrick Madrid and Drew Mariani of Relevant “Catholic “ Radio.
Everything to do with VII is fraudulent. And evil.
I, too, was troubled by His Eminence’s remarks. I’ve had the utmost respect for his orthodoxy for many years. It’s a sad day when this prince of the church goes soft on what matters most. Does he not realize that doctrine is held hostage along with the True Mass? That anything less than restoring the preconciliar Mass and Sacraments in every parish church at all times is mere breadcrumbs for starving faithful? That to deny the church of its True Mass is to deny the entire world of its unfathomable graces?
This is what occurs when you have a devotion to the Church's beautiful liturgy but do not possess a willingness to defend the Church when She is under attack from modernism. Otherwise, his Eminence would have been less inert during the Bergoglio Antipapacy fiasco. To compound matters further, Burke doesn't fully disavow the evil Second Vatican Council. We cannot expect solid leadership or any worthwhile "clan uniting" if Cdl. Burke is the most traditional prelate among the College of Cardinals.
Pray for a new pope (a real one), who will create new cardinals, and consecrate Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart.
Prevost is not the pope. We do need a real one, and by prophecy, we will have one, though it is in God's time, not ours.
Thank you Stephen! You are definitely standing up for Jesus Who is the way, the truth and the life!!!!
Fr. Malachi Martin writes about our dear St. Ignatius Loyola in his book the Jesuits. He says what made St. Ignatius so great and successful was the fact that not only did he recognize the hierarchy of God’s kingdom but he wanted his order to live and protect that order of hierarchy. This hierarchy is our dear Holy Mother Church who teaches only Truth. St. Ignatius wanted to be a loving servant of God and of the Pope….Loving servant!!!
Well, novus ordo has no hierarchy! It is the church of the people. The no appreciates or regards no one as higher than they because EVERYONE has their own”truth” because they are they and no one can tell them what to do. The no is based on subjective truth. There is no objective truth involved. So there’s no need to be a loving servant!!!!
Cardinal Burke has lost his way and is leading people away from Our Lord and Savior not to Him. And in the meantime we are labeled as “mad trads”. Okay. So be it. Not true. But it’s their label for us.
We must pray and pray and pray.
Blessed be Jesus Whose mother is Mary!!!
Ah, I've gotten just one chapter into Fr. Martin's Jesuit book. Have you read Windswept House or Vatican? His writings never cease to inform and entertain.
I’ve only read Windswept House. I couldn’t put it down!!!! I’m reading the Jesuits very slowly. It’s so packed with information. I want it to seep in and stay with me.
You will love when he’s teaching about St. Ignatius! It’s so uplifting to hear about true heroism and saintly behavior!!!
God bless you!!!
Yes, he doesn’t stop at just exposing the slime and rot. If you read through his writings carefully, you’ll discover his genuine love for the Church. With Windswept House, everyone focuses too exclusively on the Luciferian Enthronement part without savoring the rest of that terrific novel with fantastic character development and plot points. Vatican is much the same (a prequel to Windswept House). I enjoyed reviewing both novels on my site and may do so with the Jesuit book as well.
God bless, Ave Maria, and Happy Feast of St. Januarius and companions!
And…Our Lady of LaSallette pray for us!
Thanks so much for this chat! God bless you too!!!
For a while it looked like Pope Benedict XVIs SP worked in favor of the traditional movement despite its errors and false premises. But if the traditional movement is now all about getting permission to offer the Mass that cannot be forbidden, and not about throwing out Vatican II or the New Novel Rite. Then it worked way to well for the modernists!
"The beatings will continue until morale improves." That is all Cardinal Burke has to offer us.
Mr. Kokx, I appreciate your work. Best regards from one of your "measly subs."
Steve, Your attempt to confirm your bias against Burke is sad. I knew this from the start when you criticised him for talking like a man who is almost 80. I Pray that you live this long and if you do you’ll be as spry and clear voiced as you are today.
Your desperate need to paint Burke negatively by characterising his comments About fringe groups as “trashing” them, is another good example of your need to confirm your bias and sow division so you can drive a wedge among Catholics. He trashed no one.
You and the Catholic world would better off if you quit your effort to
reach a measly5,000 subs at Koks news, got a real job, get married, have a bunch of kids, and be a saint. You’re really not very good at the professional catholic thing.
The greatest "wedge among Catholics" is that which separates authentic pre-V2 Catholics & (at least objectively) counterfeit V2 church believers.
I and many others think Stephen is doing a good job defending Catholic truth & Catholic tradition, largely discarded in the V2 counter-church.
Do you know much about the suppressed Third Secret of Fatima (as opposed to what the Vatican revealed in 2000)? Few know that the Third Secret was read by Pius XII in 1957 in the company of various prelates (unpublicized), one of them being the American Cardinal Samuel Stritch, who indirectly revealed 2 parts of it to 2 priest associates, one of the parts foretelling the New Mass:
youtube.com/watch?v=nO-8UhGOagg&t=4s (3 min, 40 sec; the YT channel has more)
Even Benedict XVI when cardinal credibly revealed to Fr Dollinger, a close friend of his, that the Third Secret of Fatima included the foretelling of "a bad council and a bad mass": onepeterfive.com/cardinal-ratzinger-not-published-whole-third-secret-fatima
And that can only happen under a false pope, "the top," as Cardinal Mario Ciappi revealed. Cardinal Ciappi, who read the Third Secret, said, "In the Third Secret it is revealed, among other things, that the Great Apostasy in the Church will begin at the top" (letter to Prof. Baumgartner, 1995). What is "the top" but the papacy?
Much more could be said, but I recommend for further inquiry both novusordowatch.org & whitesmoke1958.com.
My comment had nothing to do with VII. It was about the desperate attempt to paint a prince of the church in a negative way so as to differentiate himself and his followers. Aside from the personal sin componant of this, I think he stretching way to far to accomplish his desired goal. He’s best off quitting this business And focusing on getting married, building a family and growing in his own sanctity. These are things which are worthwhile pursuits for Catholics. even his Substack name is a cheap rip off. God Bless…
What is the name of the YT video about the Fatima message? Trying to do a copy of the link doesn't work, your whole comment simply disappears.
If you’re on your phone, simply tap on the link and the YT video will open.
"What the Real Third Secret of Fatima Said (Witness Account)":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO-8UhGOagg&t=4s
Thank you!
Burke is nothing more than a mere layman.